Dual 4bbl setup on 318

[53619PLF]

I know that the 318 for 59 Plymouth did not come with a dual 4bbl setup. I have a setup on my hardtop probably from a 57 or 58 Plymouth. The carbs look like originals and not new replacements. Can anyone provide me the carb numbers that they should be if they are original ?. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Tim

[Faulkner]

Tim -- you can get the part numbers listed for 1959, and read all about the dual quad debate -- here:

https://59plymouth.net/showcase/dualquad.html

Dan

[rogerh]

If I read your email correctly, you believe your intake set-up is original 1957-8 Mopar.
You are asking which carbs were used in 57-8 318 cid Furys..

The following is from the 55-58 Chrysler Parts List:

1957--------Front carb...2631S
Rear carb...2632S

1958.......Front carb...same as in 1957, but also 2761S
Rear carb...same as in 1957, but also 2762S

The 1958 Fury w/ 350 cid used 2652S, and 2653S

[53619PLF]

Yes, was wondering about the 318 Dual 4bbl setup mainly. Thanks for the information. I have a 58 Carter AFB setup for the 350, intake dated K 22 7, with the correct 2652S and 2653S like your information says. I also have a 318 setup, intake #1822004 dated B 21 7, but are the carbs supposed to be the same style Carter AFB, or are they a different style ?. The ones on my 318 are different. I believe they say Carter WCFB. They are much more square than the AFB, and I can't find any numbers on them like what is listed in the other response here. Are the numbers in a different spot, than the AFB carbs. The 2 numbers that I thought might mean the model type are 1273 front, and 1271 rear. These numbers were on the top right horizontal rear area of the carburetors as facing the engine from the front. That is a different spot than on the AFB which is down on the front next to the intake. Any information as to where the numbers are or what type of carburetor style should be for a 318 would be greatly appreciated.

Where is a good reputable place to get them replated and rebuilt ?. I also imagine that brand new style Carters are available for 361 or 318 application. Is that correct ?.

Thank You
Tim Baker

[rogerh]

Hello Tim,
While I am not a gearhead, I try to help when I can.
You pose good questions. I dug into my books, and the Internet. I confirmed that WCFB carbs were early carburetors. In 1957, Carter introduced the AFB (Aluminum Four Barrel). AFBs were produced until 1971. Then the name was changed to Carter Performance carbs, production ran from 1971-1998. If I got this right, Performance carbs are Weber-produced carbs, marketed as Edelbrock AFBs.
Lastly, it would seem new carbs are still available from Edelbrock.

I cannot find your mystery manifold using the Mopar # 1822004 you've posted, so I don't know what year it is from, nor its application. Closest I could find was 1822008, which is a carb linkage part for 1959.
Likewise, I have no information on how WCFBs were marked...maybe with tags, which get "lost" over the years? In the back pages of the 55-58 Mopar Parts Book, there is a section on Carters and Strombergs. Nowhere can I find the WCFB #s you mention.
I have my carbs re-built locally (Seattle and environs). I've never had any re-plated(?). I think Eastwood sells a spray paint "renewal".
You might try seeking answers at www.forwardlook.net. There is one guy from Canada who seems to have ALL answers at his fingertips.

[rogerh]

I did find a Carter with vendor # 75-1273 (Mopar Part # 1676 695), but the actual part is not identified in the Book, nor can I find its original application. You may have to find someone with a Carter catalog to figure this out.

[Dick Koch]

Tim - I don't know if it will help you or not but take a look at my post (Dual 4bbl. Air Cleaners) there is some carb info and if i'm not mistaken a warning that the Reproduction air cleaners will not fit the AFB carburetors only the WCFB carbs.
Dick.

[53619PLF]

Thanks again for all of the info. Isn't the B 21 7 on that intake on my 318 translated to February 21, 1957. The carbs are definitely WCFB, and have been reworked in the recent past before I got this car. Luckily I have a set of original and reproduction oval air cleaners. Right now the repro air cleaners are on the WCFB carbs, and the original ones with the 58 350 setup. I will try and post the carb numbers question on the forward look website as well.

Thanks
Tim

[Faulkner]

Tim, Roger wanted you to see this answer from JustAnswer.com (http://www.justanswer.com/car/classic):

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I purchase on ebay a Carter WCFB 4-bbl carburetor that supposedly came off of a 1955 Dodge (Custom Royal with Power Pack). It did not have the identification tag so can't verify the application which is all important to me. I have the air horn and fuel bowl casting nos but can't match them to any application using my CARTER catalog from those years. I need someone who is an expert in CARTER WCFB carbs and can ID this carb. Air horn asm is 6-909 and fuel bowl is either 106 or 901. Venturi size of primaries are 1 1/16 in. Secondaries appear to be the same size. Was not able to find answer using web sites.
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Hello! I'm Rixster...
Sad to say this but you won't find it either...
Without that I.D. Tag you really have no way of finding it's application. Unless you have the specs from the type you are seeking and compare them to the one you have. (jet sizes, Metering rod sizes, etc.
Those casting numbers are likely used for all of the carbs of that type.
The I.D. numbers are how you tell the specs of the internals and the application.
You might try this guy...

http://www.carburetor.ca/carbs/tech/Car ... index.html


I hope this helped in some way...
Thanx! -Rixster

[rogerh]

Bernie Broulliet mentioned a man Richard Almquist as havig/racing a 59 Plymouth with dual fours. Bernie wrote Richard lived in CT> GOogle his name and I get 2 results in CT. Should someone pursue this further?

[53619PLF]

Thanks for the info. I will try to get some information from the carb doctor to see if he can identify my WCFB carbs.

Tim