I still cannot figure out what exact model or car is and what engine package it is for that model.
Essentially what I'm trying to figure out is if we have a normal base model fury, or a sport fury, or if our car is a mish mash with emblems and options added afterwards!
I'm to believe that Sport Fury's only came with the circle upside down V with the "tiffany" medallion, whatever that is...I have attached photos of our rear fins and trunk. Also, out trim piece running horizontally doesn't fit the style of the sport fury.
But, I am also to believe that Sport fury only came in two door only. Ours is four door hardtop.
There's no nameplate or swivel seats.
Ours does have the 318, (313 Canadian). It does have a 2bbl carburetor.
Does it have the superpak or not? How to know?
Here is some excerpts from allpar forum regarding this year of car...
"Combining Ivy League smartness with Big Ten performance" was Plymouth's description of the Sport Fury series. Powered by the Fury V-800 with Super Pak, the Fury concept had been carried to two body styles, adding a convertible to the already familiar two-door hardtop. Sport Furys were easily distinguished by their special trim, which included a new rendition of the upswept spear used since 1956, only this time the end of the spear formed a cove where a special "Tiffany touch" medallion rode. This circular medallion was finished in black and gold with the grille ornament repeated in the center. A fake spare tire cover was bolted to the deck lid, and the medallion was repeated in the center "hubcap." The continental tire look was a favorite of Exner, but most detractors simply called it the "toilet seat."
"For those whose horsepower needs were more mundane, the standard V-8 was the 230 hp 318 with two-barrel economy carburetor. Only two models were restricted from using this engine-the Sport Fury and the Savoy business coupe.
vanguy16 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:35 am
I still cannot figure out what exact model or car is and what engine package it is for that model.
Essentially what I'm trying to figure out is if we have a normal base model fury, or a sport fury, or if our car is a mish mash with emblems and options added afterwards!
I'm to believe that Sport Fury's only came with the circle upside down V with the "tiffany" medallion, whatever that is...I have attached photos of our rear fins and trunk. Also, out trim piece running horizontally doesn't fit the style of the sport fury.
But, I am also to believe that Sport fury only came in two door only. Ours is four door hardtop.
There's no nameplate or swivel seats.
Ours does have the 318, (313 Canadian). It does have a 2bbl carburetor.
Does it have the superpak or not? How to know?
Here's a page from the U.S. Parts List:
The M in M269 means it is a 1959 Plymouth, the 2 means it has a V8 (it doesn't differentiate between Golden Commando or poly), the 6 means it is a Fury (not a Sport Fury), and the 9 means... it was not built in the U.S.! I think 9 might designate Windsor, Ontario but I am not sure. The 102520 on the plate means it was the 2,520 Fury built in that plant (all S/Ns - VINs - began with 100000). And yes, only the Fury and the Belvedere came in a four-door hardtop - Sport Furys were two-door only.
The "Tiffany" medallions are definitely home made add-ons (as are the fin lights!) - here's a factory Tiffany:
[I forgot to add: Tiffany medallions came from the factory only on Sport Furys.]
Here's a special page from an order code sheet, courtesy of Matthew Keij - again, this is for the U.S.:
So Mother MoPar did have a special code for the Super Pak, and you could order it for a Fury. But it would have included a 4-bbl carburetor.
As to what the equivalent Canadian P/Ns are - who can say? It may be possible that the FCA Historical Society can provide you with a build card, but I am not sure about Canadian-built cars (which means the poly is definitely a 313, BTW, and not a 318). I'll try to scrounge up the details on how to ask, I think it's somewhere on this site.
But definitely you would be wise to get a Canadian Parts List book and Shop Manual - I see them on eBay all the time. For the U.S., the 1959 shop manual was a supplement to the 1957-58 shop manual; your mileage may vary.
Faulkner wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:09 am
As to what the equivalent Canadian P/Ns are - who can say? It may be possible that the FCA Historical Society can provide you with a build card, but I am not sure about Canadian-built cars (which means the poly is definitely a 313, BTW, and not a 318). I'll try to scrounge up the details on how to ask, I think it's somewhere on this site.
Uh-oh. This post suggests that the Historical Society does not have Canadian-built records. And with ownership changing hands once again (previously FCA, now Stellantis), I'm not even sure what the procedure is now for American-built vehicles.
Plant No. 9) The next plant to be added was Evansville Assembly. Once it became clear a single plant was not sufficient to handle the growing demand for entry-level Plymouths, Chrysler purchased another assembly plant from the Graham-Paige car company, one of several automakers that were unable to weather the depression. This factory was located in Evansville, Ind. Status: Out of service
Hard info to find on plant number 9! That would make this car a US car and not Canadian.
Also Dan, I get that it's a 313, bored to...blah blah
But when looking online for parts, they don't give options for 313, only 318.
Also, this little bit of info from allpar forums.
In 1951 Chrysler of Canada began importing V-8 engines for the Canadian-built Chrysler Saratoga. The DeSoto FireDome V8 engine was imported starting in 1952 and the Dodge V8 in 1953. When Plymouth came out with its V8 for 1955, that engine was imported for the Plymouth Belvedere and Dodge Mayfair. The lower-priced Plaza, Savoy, Crusader and Regent all remained 6-cylinder only. Thus the V-8 engines offered in Canada from 1951 to 1955 were identical to the American firm, as the engines were built in Detroit.
During 1955 Chrysler of Canada underwent an expansion program, building a new V-8 engine plant, expanding the Windsor assembly plant and building a string of parts depots across the country as the firm ended the old area distributor network and had dealers connect directly to Chrysler.
For the 1956 model year, Chrysler of Canada began building V-8 engines for the Canadian market. The Plymouth and Dodge used, first, the 270-cid V8 then switched to the 277-cid V-8. The 303-cid V8 shared much with the 277-cid V8, including the heads, and had a 3.81" bore and 3.31" stroke, compared to the 277-cid's 3.625"x3.25". It was used in Canadian-built Dodge Custom Royal and Chrysler Windsor models. Also, the engine was exported to Detroit for use in the Plymouth Fury, and no, it was not available in Canadian-built Plymouths or 115"-wheelbase Dodges in 1956.
And here lies Chrysler Canada's problem - that larger Dodge. The American Ford company built Ford, Mercury and Lincoln. The Ford went against Chevrolet and Plymouth, the Mercury against Oldsmobile and DeSoto, and the Lincoln against Cadillac and Imperial. General Motors also had the Pontiac and Buick, with Pontiac going against the Dodge and Buick against Chrysler.
The larger Dodge was not a big seller, with 2,650 produced for 1954 model year, 3,650 in 1955, 7,000 in 1956, 7,048 in 1957, and 4,345 in 1958. If Chrysler had imported the Custom Royal, the 303 and 313 may very well have not come about. Instead, Chrysler Canada could have followed the American Plymouth engine development.
The 313-cid V8 was derived by boring out the 303-cid V8. Both had a 3.31" stroke, but the 313 had a 3.875" bore compared to the 3.81" of the 303. The 313 was introduced in 1957 for the Dodge Custom Royal, while the smaller Dodges and Plymouths got the 303. For 1958, the 313 V8 moved down to the small Dodges and Plymouths while the Canadian-built Dodge Custom Royal went to the 325-cid V8.
In the same years in the U.S., Plymouth used the 277-cid V8 in 1956 and again in 1957 for the Plaza. By enlarging the bore from 3.75" to 3.91", Plymouth got the 301-cid V8, used in all but the Fury in 1957. The Fury used the 318-cid which was the 301 stroked to 3.31". In 1958, the 318-cid V8 was used by all Plymouth V8 models, with a 350-cid ("B" block) optional.
To save money, Chrysler of Canada kept the 313 instead of boring the block out to 3.91" for 318-cid. The extra 5-cid just was not worth the expenditure, I suppose. Both engines had an advertised 225 horsepower. Chrysler was also facing a shrinking market at this time. In 1955 calendar year Chrysler of Canada produced 97,444 cars, which fell to 91,119 in 1956, 69,421 in 1957, 44,131 in 1958 and 42,618 in 1959. The "Forward Look" of 1957 may have sold like hotcakes in the States, but in Canada it bombed.
Remember, Chrysler of Canada built its own "A" series engines, from blocks to cranks to pistons to heads to camshafts. This was the result of the new V-8 plant opening in late 1955. The switch to the 318-cid for 1965 was made in anticipation of the Canada-US auto trade agreement. Also, Chrysler of Canada did not begin production of the new thin-wall, wedge-head "LA" engine until 1968 model year, one year after the U.S. parent did. Something to watch out for when restoring a 1967 Plymouth Fury or Dodge Polara/Monaco model. Chrysler of Canada continued to build the slant-six and the 318-cid V-8 into the very early 1980s. The engine plant was closed, along with the old Maxwell-Chalmers plant on Tecumseh Avenue, as cost-cutting measures to save the company from bankruptcy.
So, if our car is in fact built in Indiana, then it's got a 318?!?
Mike, I don't know what order the author of that article used in numbering the plants. But did you know that if you click on the attachments, they present in full size? Here's a snippet from my first attachment, blown up here:
In the official Chrysler Parts List Book, Evansville is Plant #3. If Loretta had been built there, the VIN would have begun with M263 - but it begins with M269. In that list, there is no US Plant #9.
Most 313 parts will fit a 318. Some won't (rings, pistons, connecting rods, etc.). The US Parts List is online here - if you had a Canadian Parts List, you could compare P/Ns. Where they are the same, you can reliably trust a U.S. supplier. Where they aren't (e.g., the vac advance P/N Dieter gave you, from his Canadian Parts List book), you will have to scrounge around.
By the way, the other evidence that corroborates that this car was built in Canada is the data plate. The paint codes on the data plate are not found on the US order code sheet.
I sure would like to get my hands on a Canadian order (build sheet). We have to research this to get collectors status or modified collector. Options offered, paint colors etc. We have to explain everything on this car was an option that we could buy from factory.
Thanks for all the information. It really is helpful.
Unfortunately the vendor didn't provide a bigger pic. I don't see Pink as a color, though In fact, as far as I know, there weren't any three-tone Plymouths available... The other customizations to Loretta are the "Tiffany medallions" and the fin lights. I suppose that puts the car in the modified collector category.
In fact, as far as I know, there weren't any three-tone Plymouths available... The other customizations to Loretta are the "Tiffany medallions" and the fin lights. I suppose that puts the car in the modified collector category.